Friends and conservatives both

17 October 2008

I have various friends that I’m likely to chat with on the phone at least once a week (I love girl talk). I recently realized that fully 50% (if not more) of them are not in agreement with me on the political issues of the day.

This has been distressing. I have a hard time agreeing to disagree. Perhaps I dwell on these differences more than I ought. But I spend many hours a week volunteering for Obama (calling undecided voters or signing volunteers up in swing states) and that makes it difficult to let the topic stray from my thoughts very long. Plus my upcoming immigration to Sweden, which also weighs heavily on my mind, would be a lot more comfortable for me if the people there regarded Americans and their leaders with respect and admiration, which I don’t believe will be the case with a McCain-Palin administration, making me feel (pretty irrationally–but it is feelings I’m talking about) that by not voting for Obama, my friends are kinda voting against me. And Obama’s values and ideas are pretty well in line with mine, meaning an attack on Obama is also an attack on me. The political is personal.

It’s obviously possible for personalities, children’s ages (I think all my friends are mommies these days), schedules, and geography all to mesh and result in easy friendships. What surprises me, though, is that political, moral, or religious points of view can just as easily be completely out of sync. I guess I always assumed that people I like, who like me, are like me. But friends are not duplicates of ourselves, even if we have some things in common.

The problem coming up with my buddies these days is probably rooted in my seeing social conservativeness (where we tend to differ most) as being essentially illogical and selfish. I don’t value these two attributes in friends, so their juxtaposition confuses me. As a liberal, for example, I believe in extending everyone the right to marry whomever of whichever sex; I don’t care either way. But conservatives want to deny others the right to a differing opinion. Totally unfair.

I approach abortion rights in a similarly pragmatic manner. I can’t see this any other way: abortion is the deliberate ending of life. The word “murder” applies. I wish it never occurred. I also wish there were no unhappily discovered unintended pregnancies. I wish there were no children conceived with severe health problems. I wish women never became ill in pregnancy. But these things happen.

For women who want abortion for social reasons (though every pregnancy is a health event), where there’s a will there’s a way. The abortion rates in countries with or without legal abortion are very similar, so I’d prefer abortions at least be safe. I’ve never been faced with an unwanted pregnancy (my problems have always been in the other direction), but as distasteful as elective abortion is to me, I understand that for many, a life unborn is mostly unknown, making its death less a disappearance than a failure to launch. I can understand choosing to stifle a largely theoretical life to save or preserve one already active on the world’s stage. This is the kind of issue I want to see reduced–even eliminated–by proper sexual health and pregnancy prevention education and by better access to contraception (something I’ve struggled with myself, with all my own resources and education) and emergency contraception (which is not abortion to me).

For women whose abortions come about for health reasons, either hers or the child’s, I believe no law can or should try to set a line of risk that a woman or child must have to meet in order to qualify for a life-preserving (or quality-of-life preserving) medical procedure. These questions are no one’s business but the families and doctors involved. These are tragedies all around. McCain can pretend women like to fake illness so they can cavalierly murder their infants but that is absolutely not the case. These abortions are not really choices. And people like to forget that if the mother dies, the baby dies also, so in such cases, abortion is a life-saving event.

So you see what I mean about preferencing pragmatism. At any rate, I, like everyone, always think my opinion is the right one. Since I value reason, I like to think of my point of view as eminently sensible, as arriving crystalline from some fount of Duh. That other people might come to different conclusions might be due to their putting value in something else first (like religious tenets), or deviations in our respective lines of reasoning, or some basic element of our world views instilled in us from childhood, or some unshared life experience, or even in some genetic quirk of thinking. Who can say? It’s simply hard for me to believe that smart, reasonable, informed, and thoughtful people could see the world so differently. But since I simultaneously cannot believe my friends are total idiots and selfish jerks, having known them, I guess that must be true. Huh.

10 Responses to “Friends and conservatives both”

  1. Carrie Says:

    I’m with you. I don’t get how anyone can disagree with me. And I must be right because you’re right and you agree with me and we are all happy together, right?

    Today a conservative person I know posted a link to an article about how evil liberals are. It showed all the horrific things that will happen if Obama gets the White House. Everyone will get health care coverage from cradle to grave! No Child Left Behind will be retracted! Businesses will no longer get tax breaks! Gay people will be able to get married!

    Run for your lives!

    I am so bad. I had to make a comment to her and say “Yes, I sincerly hope so!” I don’t see how anyone can view those things as bad.

  2. antropologa Says:

    Carrie,

    I fail to see the problem with those things, either!

  3. evenshine Says:

    I think it’s funny how we always imagine that people must think the way we do. ‘Cause we’re like smart and all.
    The crystalline fount of Duh feeds many a river. I’d take the polar opposite to you and Carrie’s position, but that doesn’t make me think that either one of you is an idiot. It’s been a long road, however, for me to get to the point that I’m able to think that way. And I don’t always succeed. It’s much easier to think the person uninformed, unintelligent, or selfishly jerkish.
    Your final point- huh- is a good one. We need more of those moments.

  4. christy Says:

    Obviously, we are completely right and everyone else is a moron:) Personally, I am convinced that voting for McCain is voting for four more years of Bush policies. He voted in line with Bush 90% of the time. If Bush has such low approval ratings, how does McCain have so many supporters? These people HAVE to be ignorant (okay, maybe not ignorant, but definitely misguided).

  5. christy Says:

    Oh, and this is a GREAT post. I am proud of you for having the courage to speak your mind.

  6. 3mamasboys Says:

    I try to stray from ultra-conservatives because I’m simply too much of a loudmouth to be unoffensive. However, I do have one friend who is on the completely other side of the fence as I am regarding politics (and religion.) My parents and my in laws are also very conservative, very Republican. You can’t pick your family, but you can pick your friends and I just have a hard time being friends with someone I have no respect for. It boggles my mind when people place money as #1 on their list of important things in life and it seems more and more as if this is the only thing Republicans care about. Their money their money their money. Now, don’t get me wrong. We are downright struggling financially but I would personally rather find ways to cut costs and live a simpler life in order to be gentler on the environment and to help others who struggle far worse than we do. I simply cannot understand putting so much energy into outlawing abortion (particularly in the first trimester and as a result of rape or a medical necessity), outlawing sex education and access to contraceptions, fighting gay rights, etc WHEN OUR WORLD IS DETERIORATING AND SO MANY ARE STARVING. Wow, how dare us Democrats give a shit about our children’s future. Shame on us for believing that everyone should have good, affordable healthcare. But of course, we’re all devoid of morals and need to get right with God. Because God tells us so many times in the Bible about how important it is to be at the top of the money making machine. Right? Right.


  7. first- yes I was in the hospital LOL!! but I was bored and on line I rarely commented because I had baby in my arms almost the whole time…

    ok..
    I totally agree with everything you said.. we could seriously be bff’s now… although don’t call me.. I hate the phone and girl talk :)

  8. kris Says:

    excellent post. i agree with you 100% and don’t understand how others don’t… boggles my mind.

  9. fuzzynotions Says:

    Honestly, I could not have written how I feel about the subject of abortion any better than you just did. Amazingly eloquent. Obviously, I agree with everything that you wrote and applaud the very fact that you wrote it.


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